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obama. john boehner is acting as if we never had an election in the first place and the election doesn't mean anything. is the senator has passed a tax break and john boehner is saying no, we will let 98% of americans pay $2,000 more in taxes. we will give a tax increase. we will raise taxes on 98% of americans unless you give us another tax break for our buddies and millionaires and billionaires, the top 2% in the country. you can't blame even mitch mcconnell any more. it's john boehner who is standing in the way. he did so again the republicans give this babble. the president says what's your plan? what do you want to cut? close loopholes. what loopholes? they won't say. to them, nothing. a detailed plan versus nothing. you've got a existed in in president obama versus a lose her in john boehner. and here is boehner again yesterday, on fox news sunday saying, when he looked at the president's proposal, oh my god. >> i was flabbergasted. >> flabbergasted. >> he can't be serious. i just have never seen anything like it. we've got seven weeks
? even though president obama and john boehner chatted on the phone, there's still no deal. republicans are not amused. >> incredibly, many top democrats, including the president, seem perfectly happy. perfectly happy to go off the cliff. that's why the president has been more interested in campaign rallies than actually negotiating a deal. >> many americans don't have much hope the two side also come up with a deal. they've moved on already to plan b. the retired teacher in utah has put off plans to get a new car. brian chandler, data manager in atlanta is delaying buying a house, despite needing space for his second child due any day now. several families told us they're shrinking the gift pile beneath the christmas tree this year. how about you? are you prepared if the nation goes off the fiscal cliff? facebook.com/carolcnn. facebook.com/carolc facebook.com/carolcnn. your responses later this hour. >>> what's it like living high above the earth? how do you celebrate the holidays? i'll ask astronaut kevin ford. he will join me, live, from the international space station. ♪ [ male an
, they used to throw everybody out of the room, and get it done. what worries me about the boehner/obama relationship, it seems like it's almost nonexistent. they can't even shake hands at a party, for goodness sake. >> and in many ways, i blame the republicans for not coming up with a real deal, not recognizing what the voters did. at the same time, i think obama has been very, very poor at applying the personal charm and chemistry that the president can. dragging people off to camp david. and we don't know whether or not that would work. but he hasn't tried it. and when a government budget is at stake -- >> larry, they did feel offended by president obama's last offer. they felt it was so outrageous. >> it was outrageous. it was double what they saw last year. it had spending increases, rather than spending cuts. and it wanted to have congress lose its role, in term terms of increasing the debt ceiling. none of that's probably going to happen. and i think to nick's point, it's a good point. if you go back and look. i worked for reagan years ago. reagan and tip o'neill would sit and wor
on treasurietreasur. as soon as boehner and obama walk out of the white house, which i believe they'll do at some stage over the next month, as soon as that happens, everything is going to flip the other way. i'd like to find a way to play the market, but i think for long-term investors, valuation gets more and more important. the more you stretch things out. the key thing people are miss -- i agree with rick, the economy is not that strong, but it is still growing steadily and valuations are so extreme that you know which way the money is going to go when things settle down. i just wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of that trade. >> stephanie, that's basically the way you feel. you have sort of opportunities out there. how do you see it, stephanie? >> i think what you want to do is use the volatility, use the declines, and go back to the companies that reported good third quarter earnings. go back to an ebay. >> stick to fundamentals. >> right. go back to starbucks. or you also can focus on some of the themes, right. housing is still in recovery mode and that -- i know it's well known, but i
on tax hikes for the wealthy, this following president obama and speaker boehner's first phone call in days with both sides staying mum on the details. this afternoon president obama's fiscal photo-op off the day takes him to the suburban home of a middle class families in virginia, one of the thousands who responded to the
a socialist. he is willing to make a deal with boehner. the american people spoke wednesday reelected obama. they want the tax cut for the wealthy to expire. we need to leave what you call entitlement programs alone. what we need to be talking about is boehner it needs to be more flexible about letting those tax cuts expire and it is not spending that is a problem. it is paying for what you spend that is a problem. two wars are unpaid for. guest: it is not my intent to be disrespectful of the president. i have tremendous respect for the president. the president has socialist leanings -- i think that's fair to say. i'm glad you called. think about the cuts in spending, all the things the president and boehner are talking about. there would probably be $560 billion compared to a $2.7 tr illion deficit is like spitting in the ocean. we have to do something radical. entitlements must be on the table. everybody has to sacrifice in this bill. america must take some drastic measures to at least get us on a path to do something to recovery. host: markkas from washington, good morning -- marcus. cal
between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern among some in the gop that they are at risk of becoming the party for rich people while president obama and democrats stake their claim on the middle class. and my tax rate flexibility with higher -- here's what the president said earlier today. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevent prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> we look back republican senator rand paul from the state of kentucky. senator paul, welcome, as always. i want to ask you about the fiscal cliff, the state of play. there's revenues on the table. there's tax rate increases on the table. i don't know if there's spending on the table. what's your thinking prigt now? >
on tax hikes for the wealthy, this following president obama and speaker boehner's first phone
president obama and john boehner spoke for 15 minutes last night. i just bumped into a senior leader among senate democrats and asked him how he felt about this news and he said -- he was more optimistic about these negotiations today. he thought perhaps this man the speaker and the president were exchanging proposals on avoiding the fiscal cliff, john boehner has a press conference at 11:30 after his meeting with tim geithner. connell: we will speak with -- see what the speaker has to say. with all this back and forth, a decent amount of speculation that a deal is starting to take shape. look at the reporting from politico and they put numbers to its save a framework looks like this. taxes for revenue would rise by $1.2 trillion. families making them to $50,000 would see higher taxes which we have been expecting and entitlement programs would be cut by $400 billion, most coming for medicare and, quote, end of war savings peter barnes and others reported many times as being dubious because they counted the previous budget you have another trillion plus in cuts. that according to politico i
with ourselves. >> house speaker boehner saying that is president obama and the democrats to save you for being higher taxes. this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather agree with you. probably shouldn't. but i do. i think divided government is very difficult. and there's some principles that speaker boehner is fighting for, with which i actually agree. but i think politically, the risk here for the gop, is they've become the party of rich people. and they give up the middle-class to the democrats. and i think you saw some of that in the presidential election. i don't think that's their intent. i think their tax reform intent is quite sound. but the way t
: that number has not moved. people are saying obama is reasonable boehner and the republicans unreasonable. easy got to make a deal in that sense, too. they're going to do the grand bargain. both sides are really, really motivated. both sides are super motivated. now really good piece of news about elizabeth warren. >> she was named to the bank committee. two senators retiring in january announced they're retirements. they were on the bank committee. the bank spent a lot of money to see her not get elected spent a lot of lobbying power to see her not named the the committee. remember, $3 million were given to scott brown by bankers in that campaign, $245,000 only to warren. >> they knocked her out of the consumer protection bureau, which was her idea. she just wants safe banking. she doesn't want banking she wants safer banking so your money is safe and they don't gamble with it. that's why the banks hate it. >> it's why smaller banks are not opposed to warren. >> that's a great point. i love that they put mention in there, hey banks we have to put elizabeth warren, but don't worry, we're
a sense from obama and boehner there is any compromise at this point. >> well, not now. this may be the week to shout at each other. maybe the it next two weeks are the weeks to get beyond shouting and come together. i think you're right on the dynamic. this in the end everybody seems to agree a deal with boehner. others are players. those are the two main players and they have to figure out how to get things done. tracy: like war of the roses. gerry seib, washington bureau chief of "the wall street journal." thank you, gerry. good stuff. >> thank you very much. ashley: coming up stunning new numbers where america's tax burden hits the hardest. liz macdonald will be here next with that story. tracy: ashley mentioned it earlier, drought conditions turning worse around the country. how will it impact your grocerisy bill if it isn't high enough? as we do every time this time of day see how oil is trading. up slightly. $88.91 a barrel. we'll be right back tracy: so president obama continuing to push tax hikes on the rich as part of the big fiscal cliff deal but will raising taxes on
somewhere north of $1 trillion which is basically the difference between boehner's position and obama's position. it includes medicare cuts, entitlement cuts that are at least $400 billion. remember dick durbin on your show earlier in the week put that $400 billion marker down. democrats privately tell us they'll go higher, perhaps much higher if republicans get serious on raising taxes. they'll cut spending by about $1.2 trillion, which is the total of sequestration. and they'll probably have to throw in a debt limit increase to avoid hitting that in february. people involved in the talks feel like they can get there. there's no doubt it's going to take some time, boehner has to get republicans more comfortable with raising taxes including raising rates. i don't think there's a scenario where the rates don't go up on people making over $250,000. and democrats have to get more comfortable with entitlement changes. but at the end of the day, obama can deliver democrats. and i think boehner's stronger today than he was three months ago, and he could deliver more republicans than he coul
of sponsoring your breakfast and all, sponsor a weekly dinner between obama and boehner and everyone would agree to pay for it and let them just talk and get to know each other and see, you know, it's -- >> how much -- >> oh, that's right. what do you think? >> i think that's a great idea. [inaudible] a special room. >> i'm not sure -- [inaudible] >> yeah, okay, but, well, you know, but, i, you know, personal relationships, when john was the fbi spokensman, he was not helpful, but you could talk to him, get him on the phone, and if you had a good story, he'd confirm it by laughing, a deep laugh meant you were on the right track. no laughter meant no. [laughter] >> now, it looks like the tide is very much going against republicans. do you agree with that? >> well, no. i think in the short political term, yes. polling shows republicans will be blamed. remember, this is the obama era. it's going to go down as his economy. i ask people who was speaker of the house during the great depression when roosevelt was president. i'll give a hundred dollars to anyone who can name who the speaker of the house
will talk to neil cavuto about that. and the idea of putting president obama and john boehner on tv together and televising the debt talks. lori: microsoft's efforts is all coming down to the price tag. we will show you some interest rates as we head to break. 164 on the ten year. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for mang or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, no matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritre. >> i have your fox business brief. manufacturing activity unexpectedly contracted last month falling to its lowest level in three years. it fell to 49.5. larger than expected drop. on the flip side, you as builders boosted their construction spending in october by their largest about sids may. it rose nearly 1.5. morningstar foods unit is being sold for $1.5 billion. the deal will help boost its presence in the
obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a
to date. president obama, house speaker john boehner breaking the ice. >> that's good news, right? >> the two leaders discussing the fiscal cliff by telephone yesterday. no word of significant progress with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done. but there are signs of compromise. oak e oklahoma's republican senator breaking ranks, saying he's okay with raising taxes on the rich. >>> two seizures off the coast of the dominican republic last month, authorities recovering more than 50 bails of coke. it is weighing close to two tons. the drugs had a street value of $45 million. it will now be destroyed. >> are you losing your keys or misplacing your wallet. >> yes. >> there may be a quarter-sized blue tooth enabled button to communicate with a smart phone. >> sneakers, that's hysterical. >> the app will have a radar feature if they're getting warmer or colder. >> my blackberry charger. that's what i need it for. >> it just has to tell you where it is. >>> a sticky situation on a highway. in new hampshire, a tractor-trailer loaded with a cargo of maple syrup overturned on the inter
. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap it off sent treasury secretary tim geithner to congress with this outrageous proposal as basically a compilation of everything that the president wanted in his budget and beyond what he even campaigned for.
wants to be in, but talks have completely dried up. yesterday speaker john boehner and president obama did not speak and their staffs did not speak. so really this thing is at a standstill like we've never seen before. >> yeah. so the fact that we're not even talking now. the aides aren't even talking the each other. where does that leave us? how comfortable is everybody with this? when are they going to restart speaking? >> house republicans released their own proposal a couple days ago, which they thought made major concessions in offering up new tax revenue, which the party hasn't really done in decades. the president and his advisers immediately said that that was not a proposal worth considering. so really what we're waiting for is a counteroffer from the white house. the white house has to react in some way to this offer from house republicans. they haven't done that yet. so we're kind of waiting for that. republicans say the ball is in his court. listen, the president is still the president. he has to invite house republicans to the white house. he has to make that move to get t
that president obama and speaker john boehner on the republican side of the capitol had a conference call yesterday about 20, 28 minutes in length. we don't know what was said. that's probably a good sign they are not leaking the contents of that call. that's a sign that there is some negotiation going on. something is happening behind the scenes but we just don't know what it is right now. back to you. >> eamon javers, thank you very much. >>> what can be done to break the stalemate in washington? representative jack kingston is a republican from georgia, member of the house appropriations committee. welcome, congressman. good to have you with us. >> thank you, tyler. >> we had the images yesterday of congress leaving for a long weekend. i have to say that it struck an awful lot of us as very poor sort of pr, very bad optics, if you want to use that term. you're still there in washington. why? and what do you think about the fact that congress went home? >> well, i'm actually doing some committee work but i will say this, that this debate is both inside and outside of the town. outside i
and president obama and john boehner spoke on the phone days after republicans offered a hundred billion dollars of tax revenue. republicans say they're waiting on a counteroffer from the white house. back to you. dennis: should republicans hold out and let us go over the fiscal click? john brown of euro pacific capital is with us and former adviser to british prime minister margaret thatcher and he joins us with his take. thanks for being with us. do you think we are going over the cliff? >> cliff of sorts. the fiscal cliff was created by politicians who lack the courage to do the best for the american people. and already has done severe damage to the economy. now we have democrats who want to suck money out of the economy in tax and we have rhino republicans in name only who wants spending cuts. both those things will do damag% to the economy and any compromise will damage the economy and push it further into deep recession. neither side discusses the real problem which is the enormous costs of big government. cost in money and regulations and intrusion. neither side discusses that because the
to an agreement with president obama and speaker boehner. what ever can be done now to get to that process, the sooner we get there, the better off we will be. will we get the year before the new year? i do not know. -- there before the new year? i do not know. but one reason it is good to look back at andrews is that help us get to an agreement. we had problems, but we essentially got there. that is the precedent that i think should be taken. my last point is value -- he went to the dark side, a joint cbo, then for most of the past 10 years i have been in the international budgeting community. i want to say that particularly to the gentleman on my right. and this is a tremendous value from tthat is not recognized ine u.s. the value is the spending caps. by spending caps, i mean not and taxg-go expenditures. that has served as a precedent for a number of countries that have had successful fiscal experiences since. they include sweden, switzerland, holland, chile, finland. it does not include the european union. the european union is still -- they are still suffering from it. i do not think
a crisis but it will require even more skill than talks between obama and boehner. >> i remember after reading k s kissi kissinger's book on china, a fascinating world view we are sort of evangelical about spreading democracy. china sees themselves as the center. no, you come to us. i said, is that true? do the chinese not want to sweep into europe? he said, no, you understand what the chinese want, look at the gdp number. it has to be at 9% or 10% or they feel they lose dprip on power. >> the narrative to any family in china if you look back about ten years they're better off. that's when the real problems set in. >> what are the poll outlets or ways that this country, that america can have sort of a resurgence in manufacturing. >> the natural gas boom and things like that placing an emphasis on speed. if you have an idea for a new product you want to get to market five weeks from now, it's possible to do that better in california, in texas and boston rather than going to hong kong. >> that's very -- >> you did mention on the list one of the things that the obama administration loves
the fiscal cliff. mr. obama and house speaker john boehner took a step yesterday, speaking about the standoff on the phone. i guess at least they weren't texting, right? while the details of their chat remain private, both men continued to talk past each other in public. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government, without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> treasury secretary tim geithner also weighed in yesterday saying the president is willing to allow the nation to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >>> we are learning new details about colorado's shooting suspect james holmes now that thousands of e-mails in the case have been released. messages indicate holmes may have had a brief romantic relationship in the days before the tragedy. we have learned that in early june, holmes began specifically talking and fantasizing about killing a lot of people. his psychiatrist was so worri
. speaker of the house john boehner said today that he is still waiting for a counterproposal now from the president of the united states. and we learned late this afternoon that in fact speaker boehner and president obama had a phone call today. we don't know, however, what was said in that call. but reports are that some progress is being made in these negotiations. at least conversations continuing behind the scenes between the top leaders, larry. >> all right. a phone call. that's pretty good progress. many thanks. so let's just ask a couple questions here. does president obama have the whip hand in all these negotiations, and are the republicans about to be blamed big-time for falling off their own fiscal cliff? joining me now is ace pollster scott rasmussen. i just did a little tv gig with scott, who's in about 60 cities across the country. all right, scott. you heard timothy geithner. he said if they don't raise taxes on the rich, they were going to go over the fiscal cliff. but at the end of the day, if we do fall over the fiscal cliff, if taxes go december 31st, will the repub
. that is the sticking point. president obama wants those tax rates raised. john boehner, he wants fewer deductions, limits on deductions. that's the status quo right now of the discussion there. i want to bring you to the big board because we're going nowhere this tuesday morning on very low volume. back below 13,000. tuesday morning, here's the company: elizabeth macdonald is with us. david asman is with us. and nicole petallides right there on the floor of the new york stock exchange. china, cracking down on money transfers at wynn macau casinos. i guess that wynn stock is going to be down? nicole: you are right. we're seeing the stock down nearly 4% here. this is not good news for them overall. basically china's new leadership cracking down on fast money moving. they are going to set rules where you can't -- restrict the limits on how much money can actually be taken out of the country. there are a lot of new rules that would be put in place. all of it is obviously for responsible gambling, but it seems to be a lot deeper than that. stuart: i've been to that casino in macau. i mean totally diff
nothing to do with what's going on between boehner and obama. >> to some extent that's true. >> reid is the guy that pushed obama to extend the bush tax rates in 2010. so reid would i suspect -- >> i'm starting to like him more. i thought of him as senator pat geary from godfather 2. but everybody loves harry. there's a song everybody loves harry. anybodies that that has anything to do with casinos loves harry. just a quick question. you were a big cap guy for a long time. now dividends rates where going up. are you still a big cap guy? i've been a small cap guy. i'll tell you you why. >> when did you switch? >> this is a while ago. the reason why, number one -- it's a growth story. >> do you like the natural gases play ms in small cap? >> the way we've invested, we haven't been looking at producers. we're looking at users of natural gas. i think that's been a little bit better. >> we'll hit that break at 6:50, the one that we keep -- >> let's do it. >> and write a six minute tease for that break. i'm going to have time to read the entire thing and people at the end of that tease, no
are happy to have. >> a house aide said president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke on3 the phone yesterday afternoon, their first conversation a week and since republicans offered $800 billion in new tax revenue and more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts, republicans say they're still waiting on a counter offer from the white house. lori: i wonder if they're talking football. >> it got messy. melissa: the house may be sending the members home t for e president seems to think if they got down to business, it is an easy fix. melissa: we can probably solve this in about a week. melissa: piece of cake. he thinks it is too late to get anything done before the end of the year as both sides are too far apart on key issues. joining us now, financial economist at jefferies. we think it is too late, we're going over the cliff. how come? >> not enough time to address all the issues that need to be addressed. especially they will talk o on a phone only once per week. it has been some progress on the tax cut side in terms of tax reform that could raise a type of revenue that we are goi
, it is in both interest of speaker boehner and president obama to come up with a solution. they will both be remembered not necessarily for january, february, arch of next year, but held the second term when. it is always tough. >> it sure does not help to start out with your first year of your second term with the economy back in recession. i think we will get a deal. we cannot get the compromise on the really big issues like bono commented. i think we will not fall over the cliff. it will be 150-175. that will take a bite out of consumer spending, ap in the first quarter. we will have a decent holiday sale. some pay back early next year. connell: thank you, stuart. i think you bring up an important point. even if we solve this, you will see higher taxes lower spending. some tough news from microsoft that came out today. the company will cut its order of the new surface tablet that we have talked about from 4 million units to 2 million units. this is all because of weak demand. it runs on a result eight. they continue to see very weak demand for when does a. the stock is down as you see
off the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that will kick in next year. john boehner said he can't believe the latest white house proposal. the obama administration insists there's no deal without a tax increase. susan mcginnis is in washington with details this morning. susan, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, terrell. it may appear the two sides are nowhere but these talks are expected to pick up dramatically very soon. december is here and as they say here in washington the lawmakers can smell the jet fumes meaning the planes taking them home for their holiday recess. what we're hearing there should be a deal by christmas. the white house is already decorated for the holidays but the mood here in washington is anything but festive. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> reporter: if congress doesn't act america will ring in the new year with $110 billion in spending cuts and a $500 billion tax increase leaving the average household with a nearly $3,500 hangover. timothy geithner was on the hill last week to present the president's plan to congress. >> i was fl
againsy on the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner is demanding a face-to-face meeting with president obama and the pentagon is preparing for the worst. >> it could take a week to clear out the backlog of ships. we're live at the port of los angeles straight ahead. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it has been a wild ride. a lot of it has to do with apple, right? >> the big picture, markets are higher. apple has come under pressure. let's look at the major market averages. the dow is up triple digits, completely erasing losses over last couple days. posting a gain for the week. tech-heavy nasdaq pom cost it is moving to the because weighed down by apple. research and findings have found that apple faces intense competition in the tablet market for ipad and ipad mini and probably will lose market share to android and even microsoft systems. you're seeing apple down 28, almost 29 bucks. a terrible day if you're a shareholder hoping to get to the upside. a lot of folks hope it will get back to 700. not today. look a
. in an hour, president obama speaks to ceo's at the business roundtable, followed by news conferences with house speaker john boehner and minority leader nancy pelosi. >> the supreme court will look at what was passed in 2008 by a majority of six-three, i believe, and they will say that is precedent. indiana had a voter i.d. -- >> they decided on the indiana case, it was constitutional for them to establish id they did not say all of that was subsequently -- >> they talked about indiana. you misrepresented what i said. the supreme court is the law of the land. >> when i hear these accusations that black people voter i.d. loss disproportionately affect minorities -- implies to me that somehow we have something missing in our brain. as -- if white americans can get id to vote and go through all the processes to follow the laws, what are you telling black people? that somehow they are not good enough? that is what bothers me about a lot of the rhetoric coming from democrats and the left. we always have to make -- there has to be a special mass when we deal with minorities because they ar
that wants to hear this message. they don't want to hear boehner capitulate. if you read a lot of the right wing sides, not the crazy ones, they're already teeing up to say boehner is a failure, he gave into obama. they want to hear him talk the talk. while he still has the rejectionists in hand in the lame duck caucus and while he has that donor class that wants to hear this conservative rhetoric, he's still got to play the game. behind the scenes i think republicans understand they're going to lose that top rate fight. they're going to lose that, and i wouldn't be surprised if they wound up putting the debt ceiling into the deal at the end, but up until the moment they make the deal, he's got to talk the talk. >> if i was only interested in right wing money and money at the top, i would say that's all true and, therefore, the faster they make a deal the better because if they're going to raise the rate anyway, get it over with. >> it would be better for the republicans if they make a deal now. >> boehner can make a better deal now. the question is whether anyone in the party will let him
the two sides still sounded miles apart after talking to president obama last night for 15 minutes and meeting with secretary geithner for more than half an hour. john boehner said the two sides have made no progress on a deal. he wants to see more spending cuts from the democrats, but the democrats punch back and said it is republicans who aren't making any serious offer on more tax revenues. >> so right now all eyes on the white house. the country does not need a victory lap, it needs leadership. tell the american people with spending cuts they are willing to make. >> if it happened, it will be under the leadership of the house. for a balanced agreement, we need republicans to come forward with something. >> speaker john boehner said this is a moment for adult leadership, a stab at the president there. melissa: my goodness. i understand mitt romney is coming to the white house for that lunch. i don't know, what is everybody expect to come from that? >> the president said the president wanted to talk to governor romney about ideas to make it more efficient. praising the management
boehner opened the door for that. president obama has indicated no intention of looking at that. host: what deductions would you put on the table? guest: tax reform is not to raise revenue. is to make the tax code less of a drag on the economy. we do that by lowering tax rates and getting rid of some deductions, exemptions, credits. but we do not do it to raise revenue. host: chuck marra, how important our deductions? guest: they are very important. if you get into this notion that they are loopholes, then you look at the very popular deductions the people rely on. they're trying to balance the economic weakness with the long-term needs of the economy, which is that we do face a future of deficits that are unsustainable. we are trying to stabilize the debt has a share of our economy over time. that means about $4 trillion in savings. the good news is, last year, the congress and the president got together and locked in about $4 trillion of spending cuts. it has to be enacted. we're talking about 40% of the spending budget. that includes the defense budget, and other non-defense spendi
at 10:00 a.m. and then with house republicans including speaker john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan. geithner will lunch with mitch mcconnell and then house minority leader nancy pelosi. president obama is signaling he's flexible on on where tax rates should go for the wealthiest americans. a return to the clinton era tax rates would have households pay between 36% to 39%. the president met with a group of 14 ceos wednesday afternoon. they offered support for resolving the if i can crisis with a proposal for higher taxes for those who make more than a quarter million dollars a year. sdl bo >> both sides have acknowledged that there will be revenue concessions and sbilgtment cent concessio concessions. i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in a business context as close as they are, i would say a deal would be in reach. >> ford chairman bill ford junior agrees with blankfein saying he's confident the obama administration can reach a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. but speaking with reporters in bangkok, he says the
already high level between the staff of john boehner and the obama administration. host: could this issue to be treated separately? guest: no. i think it will be decided in some kind of package at the end of the year. it could be a small package but they need to make a decision. host: kenneth, good morning. caller: i don't think the american people will get anything unless we let things go over the fiscal cliff. republicans will never agree to anything. i think obama needs to stick to his guns. guest: that is one of view of some liberals and some republicans say let's go over the cliff. then you get to cut tax rates. that is easier politically to do. nobody says it is their first choice. some say the democrats could have more leverage if we go over the cliff. some think tanks have said and most people understand it is a slope. it will be gradual. many people are looking to the stock-market to see what their reaction is if there is not a deal. that could have its own impact on the economy. host: author any strong advocates in the administration who maintain the payroll tax cuts? guest: chr
unlikely. color me surprised. because it turns out president obama is more progressive! and a little tougher negotiator--so far. now apparently i'm not the only one surprised. when he gave his new storms on the fiscal cliff negotiations, well apparently john boehner was a little bit surprised. >> tim geithner sit there like we are here and presented this to you. what did you say? >> flabbergasted. >> cenk: flabbergasted. well, what went wrong? where do you think we are today. >> i would say we're nowhere. period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've asked for more revenue than asking for the whole entire time. >> cenk: that's just not true at all. he says we did this serious offer. here is the offer that john boehner put forward--butkis. nothing. he said, i'm interested in raising revenue or we're willing to do that. so how much, you want to cut medicare? you want to cut social security? john, admit it, you want to cut social security. no, no
: that's right. well they wrote a letter to the president -- boehner and six other house republicans, they insisted the election return obama to the white house and the gop return to the house requires both parties to come together in a fairground. but we know that didn't happen. i think everybody is aware, right, that it is the gerrymandering that has returned -- what they are calling middle ground is not middle ground, right? >> it isn't middle ground and there wasn't a dead locked election. they forget a couple of things number 1 that there was an election, and the people spoke and number two if you look at every survey -- i guess the second point is in this campaign there was a clear, clear outline by the president of where he stood, no secret. there had to be a continuation of the middle class tax cut, and an end of the tax cut for the very wealthy in -- in 2010 they got over 90%, the upper 1% -- 90% over that of the income growth, and the third point, the surveys show after the election all of them -- that if you ask people should there be continuation of
by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what catastrophic. the republicans need to stick to the boehner rule. a dollar of spending cuts for every dollar in spending increases. why give in on taxes and the fiscal cliff fight when you will have all the leverage. megyn: simon? >> in the rasmussen poll that came out today the republicans lost 10 points since the election in the congressional generic fight. they are losing this economic argument right now. if they pull what mark is saying, you are going to see the republican party's numbers in the 20s. they have no leverage on this thing. >> not going to happen. megyn: we'll leave it at that. thank you both. just ahead. a much more somber note. new warning about the sarin gas threat in syria. city drivers claim a class action that the traffic cameras are actually rigged. soot whole world is watching and the president of the united states made clear there will be consequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. megyn: that was leon panetta with a warning that the united states and
between where john boehner is and president obama on overhauling the tax code? >> again, my job is to tell my clients what's going to happen, not what i would like to have happen, so what i would like to do is take a close look of what's being proposed, with regard to taxes and deductions, what i'm struck by is how rapidly the debate is moving away from bowles-simpson. they said broaden the base, lower the rates. the president is raising the rates and opposing a deductions and republicans want to keep the rates the same and lower the deductions. bowles-simpson had it right. i look at the logic that the white house had with regard to the idea of capping itemized deductions and i would like to look at it from a cost benefit point of view. we should weigh cost and benefits. they said they were against it for two reasons. the first was that it affected some taxpayers making less than $250,000, which is true. this would be a $50,000 cap, so the people we're talking about are people who are using way above average levels of itemized deductions on their return at that level. when i do the analysi
to be deadlocked. president obama released his plan. it includes 1.6 trillion dollars in new tax increases. 50 billion in new stimulus spending. and stimulus, and new power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. tim geithner, john boehner appearing with chris wallace on fox news sunday. >> we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to get this question resolved but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they have actually asked for more revenue than they have been asking the whole entire time. >> in kind of a tough position now. it is going to be, obviously a little hard for them now. they're trying to figure out where they go next. we might need to give them a little more time to let them go next. we did what you expect from us. we laid out a very detailed, carefully designed set of spending savings and tax changes that help put us back on a path to fiscal responsibility. bill: where are we now? senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler on the north lawn. wendell, has either side
. was a major obama fundraiser. we are live back on capitol hill waiting to hear from house speaker john boehner and his weekly briefing. the speaker today was one of the leaders set to meet with treasury secretary tim geithner up on capitol hill today to talk about the fiscal cliff negotiation. we'll be hearing from the speaker shortly. the house gavels back in at noon eastern with just one bill on the agenda today. that's a bill that is a new visa proposal for foreign students earning advanced degrees in science, engineering, and math in the u.s. that's coming up at noon. and back at the white house, the president is having lunch with his former rival, mitt romnifment they are having a private lunch at the white house and also today the briefing at the white house with jay carney. that will get under way at about 12:30 eastern. we'll have that at c-span.org. there's also word today that the congressional organizers of the presidential unanimous consent racial have announced today that the theme of the festivities in 2013 will be called, "faith in america's future." "the washington post" writes
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